The Elect and the Goats

sheep-and-goatsI’ve come across a Protestant Apologist, a person who claims to be a Calvinist and one of the things we discussed was Divine Election.  He claimed he was one of the Elect.  He claimed several times over a course of a few months that he has total assurance of going to heaven because he is one of the Elect.

I told him, in a friendly way, that all goats think they are sheep and all sheep think they are goats.  He then told me “I’m a Sheep.”  I couldn’t resist and told him that “See what I mean, all Goats think they are Sheep.”  He then asked me why I want to take away Protestant persons assurance.

I was also asked by this debater: “Where in scripture does it say all sheep think they are goats and all goats think they are sheep?”  I pointed him to Matthew 25:31-46 which is usually titled:  THE JUDGMENT.  I don’t recall him giving me an answer except to say that he was familiar with the verses.  Several commentaries also find similarities between Matthew 25:31-46 to The Rich Man and Lazarus, (Luke 16:19-31).  (see below)

I find Calvins doctrine of Divine Election to be a false doctrine; a man-made doctrine.  If anyone can claim to be the Elect, it can only be the Martyrs and only the Martyrs.  Unless of course you personally received divine releation that you are indeed one of the elect.  Personally, I have faith, HOPE, and charity, to be one of the elect.  I have that Hope, that appetite, to want it with all my heart, mind, and soul.

At the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7:21-23), those who think they are the sheep will say to Jesus, Lord, Lord did we not ………”  Jesus will say, I never knew you………”  When one is a follower of Jesus Christ, he or she has the power to be Christ to others.   It is Christ who gives and it is Christ who receives.  This is what it means to be one of the Elect = to be In Christ.

Roman Catholic Pearls found somewhere on someones blog (?)

The Roman Catholic Church calls predestination God’s Plan and states that this plan also includes free will for mankind. Catechism of the Catholic Church #600 says:

To God, all moments of time are present in their immediacy. When therefore he establishes his eternal plan of “predestination,” he includes in it each person’s free response to his grace: “In this city, in fact, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.” [Acts 4:27–28; cf. Ps 2:1–2] For the sake of accomplishing his plan of salvation, God permitted the acts that flowed from their blindness. [cf. Mt 26:54; Jn 18:36; 19:11; Acts 3:17–18]

Catechism #1037 also states:

God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance…”. [26]\

Matthew 25:31-46 is a parable similar to the parable about Lazarus and the rich man. The rich man let Lazarus die on his doorstep and was doomed to crave for drops of cold water he had not thought of giving to the poor man. When Martin of Tours (who lived in the 4th century), a young Roman soldier and seeker of the Christian faith, met an unclothed man begging for alms in the freezing cold, he stopped and cut his coat in two and gave half to the stranger. That night he dreamt he saw the heavenly court with Jesus robed in a torn cloak. One of the angels present asked, “Master, why do you wear that battered cloak?” Jesus replied, “My servant Martin gave it to me.” Martin’s disciple and biographer Sulpicius Severus states that as a consequence of this vision Martin “flew to be baptized”.  God is gracious and merciful; his love compels us to treat others with mercy and kindness. When we do something for one of Christ’s little ones, we do it for Christ. Do you treat your neighbor with mercy and love as Christ has treated you?


Ron Sr.

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